Mt. Hood rescue attempt: Your Thoughts, Your Prayers, Your Voice…
December 13, 2006
Every once in awhile I like to open up a space to post your thoughts. What do you think about the Mt. Hood rescue? Thoughts? Prayers? How is the Adventurist handling this story thus far? This is your space…your voice…What would you like to tell the climbers, the rescuers, the families? Let your voice will be heard!
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Our thoughts and prayers are with all those on the mountain and for those family members and friends who are waiting. may god be with you all
Kelly is my husband’s cousin.
May God be with the rescuers those lost on the mountain and the famiies that await word.
Thank you for your prayers.
I wish those fellows hadn’t gone up there this time of year. I hope they make it out ok. There is no god so don’t bother to pray but I hope they make it out ok.
I am praying every minute of every day for these men and their families. I can hardly sleep at night for feeling guilty about my warm bed while these men are up there suffering so. I so hope this ends happily. I will keep watching and hoping the weather breaks so the rescuers can reach the men.
To all stranded and searching on the mountain and to their family and friends,
May God protect your loved ones that they may have the strength
they need to return to you safely & May the Lord cease this terrible storm that is hindering the rescue efforts. In Jesus name, Amen
When people do moronic things like attempt to climb Mt Hood during one of the worst winter storms on record I wonder what roll God has in it? Checking the weather would have been a good start. Turning around and getting down to live to climb another day would have been a smart choice. Prayer gives comfort to the family; when one gets themself into terrible situations through their own mistakes it is to late. For “experienced climbers” these fellows are coming off as rank amateurs.
I’m one of those praying as well…especially after losing James Kim, we just can’t lose anyone else! I haven’t read anywhere a clear picture of why the men separated. At first, I heard one was “trapped” in a snow cave; but what you reported sounds like he chose to stay behind and the other two went for help. I pray they’re together. Can you address this in your next article for the sake of clarification? Thank you. And I, like many others, will continue to pray. GOD DOES ANSWER PRAYER.
Two questions: 1.How much food did they take and how long will it sustain them? 2. What communication method will the rescuers use. Wouldn’t a sounding horn bring down an avalanche? Thanks and my prayers are with these brave young men. I believe God is able to bring them back home. But maybe they should check the weather report a little closer next time.
Umm.. I know the news media is saying that these guys were experienced and everyting but I am finding that hard to believe. I have sat quietly watching this. These guys were foolish. Plain and simple. They attempted a route that is challenging in the best of conditions at a time of the year when the weather is more unpredictable than it normally is. Why in the world did they attempt it? I can understand a challenge but with that why did they not plan more thoroughly? Experienced climbers know they can get stuck for many different reasons and plan for contingency. Where are their radios? Hand held GPS units (so they could radion position)? How about emergency gear? Food supply for several days? etc
Yes we want these men back. But brave? Sorry, more like unprepared and foolish. The brave ones are the folks trying to find and rescue them in very harsh conditions.
Jason
I send my prayers as well but I agree that these men were foolish. A true experienced climber would’nt have chanced this climb especially in December. There is plenty of good weather forcasting available on NOAA site. I also hope that the rescuers are safe with all of the snow overhangs and avalanches are possible…did they carry flares>
Well, I still pray for everyones safety and that the men come off of the mountain alive.
My God watch over these men, May He be with the families and with those who are there to help and search. I hope the weather will give them a break so they can help these men.
Here are my two cents to the previous two posts. Mountain Climbers are risky…very risky…it is what they thrive on. That is why this garners so much attention. You can be safe, but even in perfect conditions, are you going to strap a mattress to your back in case you fall? Things happen. But if there was no risk involved, if there was no challenge–no one would do it and no one would care?
Why is it that when a climber ascends Everest with no oxygen–and does it successfully, he is a hero? Yet, when someone makes a mistake or an accident happens, people are so quick to say they are foolish or stupid?
These men are all very trained in mountain climbing and survival. They know what to do. That lowers the risk slightly, even in these conditions. And who is to say that they didn’t plan on this weather challenge from the start?
Mt. Hood is considered a “trekking” mountain. Hundreds if not thousands ascend it every year as a stepping stone to higher challenges.
Even if these men were foolish…anyone who has traveled in the back country knows…life’s a calculated risk. They missed their calculation. Who of us in life has not wished this?
There’s lessons in this for all.
Meanwhile, let’s hope and pray they make it and that no one else makes the same mistakes in the rescue.
mary ann
These 3 people knew the risks they were taking when the decided to take on Mt. Hood and now they are in trouble. Because of their risk-taking now other people have to put their lives at risk. Now the airforce is involved. How much does this all cost? Who pays for it? I can see sending out rescuers for people who get into a situation by no fault of their own but this is unbelievable. And on top of it all one of the climbers wives says that when/if he makes it down the mountain he’ll just go back up again. Even after this life-threatening experience. I say they are all idiots.
In response to Abby,
All of the Rescuers are getting paid to do the job they are doing…and if you want to get technical, “we” as taxpayers pay them to do this job.
The rest that are helping are Volunteers. They are helping without pay, because they want to be there.
Also, if any of you know a Mountain climber or the History associated with Mountain Climbing, then you would know that this is what they live for. They wouldn’t do it if a challenge wasn’t involved pitting life and death.
As far as them heading back to another mountain, I now have a confirmed source stating that this trip was in preparation for Everest. You think it will be any easier?
Also in response to Abby:
The chances of dying in a car wreck are much higher than of dying while climbing a mountain.
Brian Hall is my first cousin and I can guarantee that he is no idiot. Brian is a very experienced climber who has made numerous climbs throughout the world. His parents and sister are the kindest most giving people, and have gave of themselves monetarily and supported others in need without second thought. Brian is a free spirit who will come out of this situation, God willing, and will continue to help others in need and in one way or another will repay this country for there awesome efforts to help him in his time of need. Make no doubt there experience will be proven when they are found.
“A mountain climber is not a hero unless he unselfishly risks his life so that another person may live.” Spence;2006 Otherwise he is a fool. If God meant for us to climb mountains, he would have given us hoofed feet, big horns and a fur coat.
As a rescuer, I am baffled by mans desire to do seemingly moronic things. I am angered by the level of risk and danger that the rescuers are put into due to someone elses choices. A car wreck is an accident. Climbing ANY mountain in the middle of winter is insane.
I should not be so emotional. If if was not for stupid people, I would be out of work. I think I will go back outside and have anther soda in the Texas sunshine.
Not only do I think “adventurists” should have to pay for their own rescue efforts, I wonder if the rescue should even take place. I’m sorry, but if you put yourself in such high risk situations, you’re on your own. Hurricanes and other natural disasters are a terrible comparison; people can’t control the weather where they live. However, they CAN control their choice in leisure activities. As I was thinking about this issue I wondered if I was being hypocritical as a former gymnast. Is that high risk sport in the same category? No, I thought. Gymnastics and other high risk sports do not take place in remote areas, which take days for rescuers to reach. Though I feel very badly for the families of these extreme athletes, I can’t feel the same empathy for the athletes themselves. To put yourself in such risky situations with families at home is selfish, in my opinion. I say choose another sport that allows you to be there for your family until the children are older. How about a sport that you can do with your children? If you want adventure in the cold, go skiing and take your kids with you. Oh- and by the way, if you ski out-of-bounds… sorry no rescue for you either.
How great it is that some of us have the courage to venture to find the edge. How wonderful it is that those who have been there and back will return to help those who have difficulty.
Our thoughts are with the climbers.
Our thanks are with the rescuers.
John, I am hoping for the best for your cousin. From what I have read about John Hall thus far, he is a highly respected climber and man. He does alot for his community and everyone’s thoughts and prayers are with him.
To Skyhighmedic: “A mountain climber is not a hero unless he unselfishly risks his life so that another person may live.”
This is not true…a good quote, but not true. The way our media in society is…anyone who even attempts Everest is made out to be a hero in the publics eye–sometimes before they even get there. Our media has a warped sense of “Hero” worship. Our “heroes” are only made when people die or they are attempting a big challenge or a new record. The way you have it, heroes are only made unless they help fix someone elses mistake. Knowing your background, I see why you see things this way.
To Steve Waterhouse: There are three types of people visiting this site to hear about Mt. Hood. The craziest: The ones who would LOVE to be in their spot right now, The Dreamers: The people that live there life through other people’s challenges and The Opinionated: No matter what was going on, they would have a say. I kind of fall in to the first two.
Picture yourself hunkered down in an ice cave 10,000 feet up. The wind howling, the sound of the ice crackling, the freezing cold nipping at you, just hoping that someone is looking for you. Hoping that they will find you, that they will find you soon. Hoping that they don’t give up on you, that they try just one more time.
Lord please give these men the strenght to make it through the night tonight and the next night until we find them. Give them the strenght to stay awake and have their wits about them. Give them peace that we are searching for them.
They have been up there to long.. I hope the prayers are answered cause it’t not looking good.
They should not have been up there in the first place..
They were not prepared.
A writer questioned my use of the word “brave” for these men. Maybe it is a misnomer. But I think so is “foolish”. Ever read “Into the Wild” by Jon Krakauer? About Chris McCandless who ventured into the Alaskan wilderness and died a young age. I’m not saying there is a parallel here. Chris did know what he wanted to do and had whatever it took to fulfil his dream. Like these men, he did more living in a short life than many people do in long lives. Their faith and yes, bravery, is surly being put to the test now. And they deserve our prayers. I will never know their motive until I hear it from them. And by the way, I believe that will be soon. I’m an ex-Marine and I know the sound of a Chinook helicopter. It shakes the whole ground. They’ll know that sound too and come out of their snow cave.
It all goes back to a simple concept of we seemed to have forgotten. Risk takers are there for the adrenaline rush. It’s a very SELFISH, self centered way of life where the self gratification they receive from overcoming risks and challenges that ‘normal’ people would not even venture to attempt. Regardless of the fact that this is a terrible season to attempt a feat of this nature does nothing but solidify my opinion that these self centered egotists have no regard for anyone but themselves. What about their loved ones who have to endure the pain and suffering? It wasn’t their choice that these climbers attempted in what is my opinion, a Darwinistic attempt. What about the hundreds of rescue workers that are now risking their lives (not to mention opening up their own families to possible loss and suffering)? These climbers are not there to better humanity, help the masses or fight a common enemy. They are NOT heroes. They are selfish. My heart goes out to the family and friends whose lives are now torn apart because of the selfishness of these three men.
Richard,
I have heard a conversation stating that the snowcave could very well be under 10 feet of snow at this point. But I do agree with you.
Jackasses.
Brian is my first cousin and has always been a guy that has pushed the limit. His parents are the peole that all of you wish you were
Hey Dan, there is a God whether you recognize Him or not. Santa…he’s the fable. Mountains were created by God. And not just for beauty. Randy Knapp is right..”They are still alive and God is still there”.
Breaking News: Rescuers have sighted a herringbone shape which could be an arrow. They think this could be a good day. Personally I think if not today, tomorrow. But they may be prepared to survive for weeks.
Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I Ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me.
Our sincerest condolences to the family of the climber who was found today. Our thoughts and prayers are with you all.
Allison
Minneapolis, MN
For those here who are putting down the mountaineers; that is quite unnecessary. This is not the time. And I doubt there ever will be a time for that mean spirited thought process.
As for the bad weather..weather patterns can change quickly up in the mountains. As they were experienced I’m sure they had to have checked the weather before they started out. I doubt they would have started up if they thought there would be a chance they’d encounter such conditions.
“Coach Brian” has a team of soccer players and their families here in Dallas that have not given up. Their prayers continue, their faith remains. I know every one of them would choose a homecoming party over heaven, but they know they’ll see him again in one of those two places, because Brian made it known. Let’s not argue the wisdom of choices that have already been made by these men. Nothing can be gained, much can be lost, and there remains much presumption and speculation. There are two lives that remain unaccounted for, and family and friends of another that need support and comfort, not critiicism based on presumption and speculation. Thrse men aren’t just climbers, they are fathers, coaches, husbands, friends, mentors, employees….they are loved by many, and have lives that have toched many. Let’s focus on Grace, not human error, and come together, not apart.
As a native of New Orleans, I find it incredible that the amount of resources are being expended for risk-takers and thrill-seekers. I’m sure they are very nice people but just a similar effort could have been mounted in New Orleans. Black folks don’t climb mountains.
Bless the family and friends of ALL. Not only the climbers, how ’bout the rescue families when the loved ones take a chance on the mountain, and they sit and wonder if they’ll make it back? The guys knew what they were doing. Hopefully, two are huddled together…..like we ALL should be. AND (this is for Bob)..mostly. We all know, New Orleans,disaster,blah,blah….way to go our, “for the people”, “by the people”….WE blew it. BUT,some blame goes to ‘Orleans,(I’ve seen Kansas’ small towns better prepared for a hail storm!) When the next disaster happens,our society will make it the “BREAKING NEWS”. (Same effort mounted too..couple copters,couple news teams, couple spokespersons….icky. PS. I’m not of African descent,(not that it matters)…but SOME “black folk” climb mountains everyday. Now, I’m going to play some blues on the guitar, and be thankful of all the good souls that are in ALL OF OUR LIVES……climb on and be stong…..because that’s who we are….Bless y’all
I know nothing about mountain climbing but why would not every climber on the mountain take a GPS tracker with them? My understanding they have a “man down” button when in distress, lost, or injuried. They can find you in a heartbeat. A friend of mine owns a satelite phone company and they just put sat trackers on 20 baja racers in Mexico last month for the Baja 1000. They tracked the cars 24/7 in the most remote parts of Baja CA. via a website. He said they have units that mountain climber. The climbers would be found, rescuers not put in harms way, and money saved.
This is just a situation and something that these three men felt they wanted to do. Why put them down and say awful things about them. This is a time that people should be on their knees praying for the safe return of these men to their famlies. I am sure if we all look back in our lifes we took chances. If people didnt take chance this nation would not be what it is today. Stop finding fault and start praying for the safe return of the two men still missing and be in peace knowing Kelly is in a better place than each of us are in. Pray for the stregth of the families and rescuers. Lets stand together instead of apart.
I’m from Montana and an advid backpacker. I’ve lived in Oregon for close to 3 years. I’ve never been on an expedition outside of this country, like some of the lost men have, but I cant imagine the stupidity of these 3 men. To hike ANY mountain in the Northern US “obviously” takes a little more than just “I’ve hiked the Andes”. ESPESUALY in the month of December, on the north face of Hood!
#1 if they were “experienced” mountain hikers they would have NEVER left a man on the mountain to “go get help”. That is the BIGGEST NO-NO when hiking. Even novice Boy Scouts know at least that much.
I do feel for the families of the 3 men, but am severely ticked at the STUPIDITY many Americans have been showing this fall season when it comes to survival. i.e…San Francisco man and family in the costal mtns of OR.
I guess the motto here would be don’t try to climb an 11,000 foot mtn. in the month of December!
“common sense”
I’m not a climber but I can understand the drive some have to experience the physical, mental and spiritual exhilaration of a successful mountain climb. What I don’t understand is why these climbers didn’t rent the reportedly $5/day beacon/GPS apparently available at Timberline Lodge. Yes they did a lot right, but this was probably a fatal mistake. Henceforth, not only can everyone make damn sure that climbers know about taking tracking devices with them to ensure they can be located, someone should make it mandatory as well as other safety procedures like signing in/notes at ranger stations, etc. When you can rent these devices so cheap, there’s no excuse. I’d also like to see available some sort of freeze proof spray paint- maybe neon orange Glow in the dark- that climbers in trouble could mark rocks, snow or trees with to give a visual heads up. I’m not blaming anyone here, as I know you do the best you can. Even at this late date, and with the poor prognosis, they could still be alive, and as mentioned by another, I hope they check the South side too…makes more sense..maybe the only sense. Fingers crossed and prayers. Anne H., Greensboro, NC
This search has gripped me more than others - it has kept me awake at nights. I feel in my gut they -the remaining two-are alive under a rock outcropping although that may be wrong as descriptons interfere with what has been reported however the feeling in me is strong that they are alive. Kepp searching please. I also feel they are not quite where you might think they are. Otherside? I do not consider myself physic however every now and again a feeling comes over me that is usually right. I also feel they are suffering.
I understand this - I too love the mountains - it is a spritual connection. My husband feels going up Mt. Hood in winter lacks responsibility to family. I feel we go through this life once and we should be held back - by anything.
To those who criticize:
How do you define ‘reckless’ behaviour? ‘Moronic things’? ‘Stupidity’? Next time you get on a plane to Cancun for a vacation, or in your car to drive over to Wendy’s for that ‘gotta-have-it’ milkshake, I ask you to think twice about the risks YOU are taking. Are any of these actions really necessary? Would YOU want to be rescued if your plane/car crashes? Statistically, you are putting yourself in greater danger than the climbers on that mountain. Why would you ever want to leave the comfort and security of your lazy-boy? Then again, a sedentary life might just kill you too. The answer is that risk is everywhere, and we all have our own definitions of it and reasons for taking it. Your arguements are weak and suggest we should all live in isolated bubbles.
We cannot pretend to guess what was going on in the minds of those climbers when they made the decision to push on, up into their definition of heaven. We should only be so naive to think that we knew better than they did, that they should have been better prepared, that they were stupid to go in the first place. Are they potentially leaving loved ones behind? Are they causing pain and sorrow for others? The simple answer is yes, but beyond that, don’t we all take these chances every day of our lives to one degree or another? Take a hard look at your own lives before offering those judgements.
Life is dangerous, risky, some say too short. But damn be the day when humans lose the desire to offer a helping hand to fellows in need, only to be replaced by a ‘Sorry, I told you so’, or ‘That was stupid, you’re on your own’. Compassion is nothing without a heart. Where is yours?
This search hasn’t even reached it’s end, much less finality for the families and already I see scads of judgmental comments on various climbing forums and blogs inferring the three climbers were irresponsible.
It seems to me if I were a family member or close friend many miles from the Mt. Hood SAR base site, I’d be hungry for information and I might just be reading some of these blogs and forums. With that in mind, I wish folks would kind of cool it on the judgments and wild assumptions.
This is so sad…climb on brothers, climb on
Dieing is not the worst thing in life - who knows, maybe living without LIVING is? I suspect these 3 men believed that before they went up that mountain and felt it worth the risk. Everyone dies, but not everyone lives. Jerry, Brian and Kelly LIVED. I believe even God respects that. Shouldn’t we?
Dear Bob: As an African/American/Female I do climb mountains and I am a Hike Leader since 1994. I have climbed Mt. St. Helen, Mt. Hood and Mt. Shasta. And, have been on Mt. Rainier. Africans were climbing mountains before it became a sport.
Abby: This world is for us to see and feel and enjoy. There is something in this world for everyone to do and die doing. Some people like walking and window shopping and like watching other people. Some people like climbing mountains. As a African/American/Female I enjoy God’s beauty. These climbers thought they could beat the weather. I have found myself in trouble on mountains but I have learned that God and nature will give you some warning signs to STOP and try another time. I have also learned that you can’t out-run a storm and the weather can turn in seconds. May the climbers spirits and souls rest in peace on Mt. Hood.
My heartfelf sympathy goes out to all of the family and friends of the climbers. I also agree with Tim of Oregon’s statement above, it’s the concept of grace.
To “common sense” Just because you go “hiking” does not make you an expert on “climbing”. Your comments on their actions of going for help are very harsh. What makes you think that Kelly was coherent when he told his family that his mates went for help. He was probably suffering from hypothermia already and not thinking clearly. It could be that the other climbers were already swept off the mountain and deceased. KEEP YOUR THOUGHTLESS COMMENTS TO YOURSELF, unless you know what really happened up there. Use your energy to pray for them and their families. May peace be with them and their families.
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The first day I saw Karen and heard her say he’s coming down off this mountain, we are having our 50th Anniversary on Mt. Ranier I started praying. This family has showed their love for each other and their love for God and I admire all of them and am so deeply sorry this ended how it did. It just broke my heart. Mistakes or not, These men started on a journey like we do every day not knowing if it will be our last. they loved what they did and were supported by their family or they would not be there. In the weather conditions they were in when they left Kelly, we will never know how clearly all their minds were thinking. They were thinking survival and this is what they set out to do, to save their friend. I wish I could of been one of them trying to rescue them and these proud wonderful people that do this are not worrying about their own lifes or who’s paying for what or who made a mistake. Their only goal was to hopefully find these three GREAT men and bring them home to their families alive. Karen and Kelly had a real love for each other and life and yes it is so sad it was so short. His four children without their Dad that is what I am thinking about also. If things would of went as planned they would of went up and back down, unfortunately injuries do happen and changed the enrire outcome of this situation. they are at peace now and its such a shame the ones that love them so much have to suffer. I pray every night for their strength and I know God will give them that. He just has a way of taking care of the ones here left on earth. I know I’ve been there. Again so deeply sorry this happened and I am going to continue to keep all these families in my thoughts and prayers. You all have touched my heart and have made me only want to be a better person and love stronger.
I just feel really bad for the families and friends of these three men and still hoping(through some miracle)that Cook and Hall will be found alive. Mt. Hood is so dangerous, especially this time of year, and maybe sometime should be passed so that climbers can no longer go the Cooper Spur route!
Bush goes ballistic about other countries being evil and dangerous, because they have weapons of mass destruction. But, he insists on building up even a more deadly supply of nuclear arms right here in the US. What do you think? What is he doing to us, and what is he doing to the world?
Are we safer today than we were before?
We have lost friends and influenced no one. No wonder most of the world thinks we suck. Thanks to what george bush has done to our country during the past three years, we do!
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